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The mozilla team just smacked one heck of an update with Firefox 3 AKA “The Browser That Has It All” and I haven’t download it. Why? Well, in my own honest opinion, Safari is 2 legit 2 quit!
I love Safari AKA. I’m basically “exclusive” with Safari. It’s been my browser of choice for a long time now, and we’ve developed quite a strong relationship. I like the way Safari looks so apple. It’s clean, efficient and it’s bookmarking skills are quite excellent. Besides the occasional flash plug-in lockout, it’s a lean, mean, sexy browser. And it is, after all, “The World’s Best Browser”. How can you challenge that?
It might be quite a battle convincing me to use Firefox. But I know there are some feisty FF users that won’t let my dare slide! Seriously, are you gonna let me talk trash about your browser? That’s like attacking your motherboard or something.
If you think Firefox is better than Safari tell me why. Oh and let me know what plug-ins you are using and how helpful they are and stuff like that.
mr. diggles
June 21, 2008 at 11:54 PMyou have offered no technical reasons why safari should be #1. i don’t blame the browsers, i blame the reckless web developers for making the click to click a shit-fest.
no browser is the ultimate. as a web junkie i use 3, sometimes up to 4, browsers. all of them lack somewhere. however, since i have dabbled with FF3 i have realized that mozilla really is taking this serious. it is super duper fast, but FF has been known to crash. Especially on macs.
safari is one of many tricks of apple. if they only developed browsers is would dominate – in the meantime it is nothing more than safe and simple. i consider it the saturn of surfing. what you see is what you get.
if i didn’t have the web developer toolbar, my productivity would be slaughtered. extensions rule for those looking to do more than just check their email or surf youtube.
this is just IMO. i do know we can all agree that IE is as crappy as a crap sandwich on crap bread. i couldn’t help myself in commenting on this post… but i needed to make sure i was #53.
Apoorv Khatreja
June 22, 2008 at 12:23 AMYou asked for it this time. Ditch Safari, Screw Firefox, Kill IE. Go for Opera.
Now I’m putting in a lot of links here, without actually linking them using the ‘a’ tag, just so that this comment doesn’t go into your spam. These links are in reverse chronological order and would give a lot of reasons why to choose Opera over any other browser.
http://www.linux.com/feature/139212
http://my.opera.com/dstorey/blog/show.dml/1843336?cid=4964852
http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/2008/03/26/opera-and-the-acid3-test
http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/kestrel-is-coming
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070905-first-look-opera-9-5-alpha.html
http://cybernetnews.com/2007/09/03/cybernotes-exclusive-opera-95-features-video/
David
June 22, 2008 at 1:32 AMWell, nobody has so far mentioned (I don’t think, sorry if I missed it) Math.
I was waiting for someone to chirp-up, but as they haven’t, I feel it my duty in the spirit of fair play to say it’s the only reason I keep FF onboard – and that is a very occasional occurrence indeed – to view stuff like this.
Have a look in the various browsers you have…
Mathew Ballard
June 22, 2008 at 10:00 AMLet me give you some more of my reasons for loving FF:
Gmail Manager – I have 3 gmail accounts this makes it so much easier to check mail. Cause I don’t have to, it does it for me.
NewsFox – My RSS reader of choice, it only checks for feeds when I have it open in a tab and I can read everything all in the reader.
NoScript – does a great job of helping to block unwanted web material.
PicLens – Just awesome to use to look at photos. Found out about this through TWIP.
Taboo – If I have something I want to just check out later I just push a button and it saves it in this nifty list and it will even save your exact location. Saves having to have a ton of unwanted tabs open.
TwitterFox – need I say anything.
BlueOrganizer – A really awesome extension that makes it easier to share things on the web or to find things on the web. Lets say I’m reading about a movie and I want to add it to my Netflix I can just click the button select NetFlix and it will automatically find the movie and add it for me. Works for a TON of sites.
IEtab – for those few sites that just have to be open in the Internet Explorer environment.
FastDial – its like that thing that Opera has, except better.
And thanks to FF3 being a lot more resource friendly I don’t have to worry about FF taking up most of my RAM while its open with all these extensions.
Mathew Ballard
June 22, 2008 at 10:03 AM@Apoorv Khatreja
I tried Opera for a week a few months ago. And I was too impressed by it. Most of the sites I went to didn’t work to well. The extensions weren’t that great and the browser was just s l o w. The only thing I liked was that dial thing. But, there is a FF extension for that called FastDial.
Kenji
June 22, 2008 at 3:48 PMI hate the way Safari opens the bookmarks menu in a browser window rather than overlaying it over the webpage so you don’t navigate away from it.
Also FF’s tab memory when you shut down is amazing
Rey
June 22, 2008 at 4:40 PMFirefox all the way, babe.
Ie View
MeasureIt (for web dev)
Mouse Gestures Redox
PicLens (for cheese factor)
Session Manager
Better Gmail2
Bible Toolbar
Colorzilla (for web)
DownloadThemAll
Fasterfox
Firebug
Gmail Manager
Gmail Space
kristarella
June 22, 2008 at 5:09 PMI don’t mind which one you use. I use Camino!
I did download FF3 though, or my husband downloaded it and I got it from him. I only open up FF for the Web Developer Toolbar and Firebug.
Mathew Ballard
June 22, 2008 at 5:13 PMSomething that I failed to mention in an earlier post. Foxmarks, you install this extension on all your computers and any changes you make to your bookmarks no matter what computer your on will be made on all your computers.
Mostly Lisa
June 23, 2008 at 2:56 AM@ everyone. So I just installed this WP category merge plug-in that doesn’t display properly in Safari, sooooo…
I downloaded FF. Are you HAPPY now??? Huh! I bet you are.
PS. I still like Safari better, but after sooo many comments re: FF uberness, I’m willing to give it a shot. *begrudgingly clicks on the fox in my dock*
David
June 23, 2008 at 3:22 AMDoesn’t display properly?
I know the code is full of errors, but it displays OK?!
Mostly Lisa
June 23, 2008 at 3:34 AM@Paz — hahaha. you are so PC.
@joshuajenkins — yes i have heard of this magic location bar and i feel that i need it in my life.
@connor — uploading videos to vimeo & flickr is wayyy better in FF. i’ll give you that. Some buttons just don’t display correctly in Safari.
@felix — Safari’s ad and pop-up blocker is pretty ace. I haven’t been disturbed by an annoying pop-up in ages.
@cayce — true if you are a web developer you really need FF and probably IE to test things oot.
@the hopper — do you find FF way faster than Safari?
@Thommy — that does sound ace. now that i’ve got FF. i’ll check out those plug-ins.
@Mitch — hi-5
@Ryan Rey — stand strong fellow Safari brother!
@bryce — it’s not so much apple fangirlism, than just being a total design snob. but if FF is way faster than Safari, i will definitely give it a chance. i like a zippy internet. and i will not let any shining fruits distract me.
@diego — if you have a PC you should definitely use FF. also, i know a few mac peeps that use camino exclusively. i have never used it.
@Chris Luckhardt — you have my word. i will give it a go as i am starting to get more into web design stuff so i will definitely need those plug-ins. i was using fire bug about a year ago before i switched back to safari.
@Brandice — yesssssssss. wow. you totally convinced me!
@Adam — i am coming to England in a couple weeks and i am gonna buy soooooooo many M&S biscuits!!! a hugggge bag of them. nomnomnom.
ok… i need to sleep. i’ll reply to moreee tomorrow. in the mean time, feel free to talk amongst yourselves forum styles.
Tim
June 23, 2008 at 5:33 AMFF all the way! There is no way I could do my job as efficiently without it. I am a web developer in SLC, Utah and I use it every day all day long building and debugging web applications. But when it comes down to it, FF is only useful to me because of its plugins, without them it’s just another browser. Here is a list of the ones I would die without:
-Abduction: screen grabber, allows you to grab only the parts you want and save as image.
-ColorZilla: gives you an eye dropper you can use to get the color values on a page.
-Delicious Bookmarks: so my bookmarks are all portable.
-DownloadHelper: videos downloader.
-DownThemAll!: the most efficient and all inclusive mass downloader there is.
-Dummy Lipsum: for creating placeholder text in site designs.
-Firebug: the tool all developers bow before
-Gmail Space: allows you to use your Gmail storage as file storage
-Greasemonkey: for all that javascript hacking we all like to do to sites we run into
-GridFox: allows you to grid a site to get its dimensions
-IE Tab: allows you to run the IE rendering engine in FF for testing the look of a site in both at the same time.
-iMacros: automated testing of websites, set up little macro scripts that run and do things like fill out and submit forms.
-MeasureIt: gives you a lovely measuring box you can draw across the browser window to measure page elements.
-PDF Download: lets you decide what you want to do with those PDF’s you run into
-Tab Mix Plus: allows you to control all aspects of the tabbed environment
-Web Developer: a must for site developers
-YSlow: a must for finding out where your site is lagging when it is downloading from the server to the client. Give you suggestions on best practices that you can do to your site to speed it up.
mr. diggles
June 23, 2008 at 8:10 AMi thought this was interesting
number of FF3 downloads
Dwayne
June 23, 2008 at 9:24 AMFirefox 3 sucks, it looks cool but really it has lost all the gems that Firefox 2 had, but still way better than safari
Salvador Orozco
June 23, 2008 at 10:11 AMI think Safari is more than a fully functional web browser, is a very apple app, pretty, fast, stable and lot of things more, but FF can fit to any kind of needs, all its plugins can transform FF into a very personal web browser.
I’m a Graphic Designer and Web Developer, Apple lover and mostlylisa.com fan, and I love Safari as well, but FF is so damn useful for me.
Good to know you are giving a chance to FF, you can still using Safari for some quick searches and things like that, but FF can be used like an web based iLife.
Cheers!
The Hopper
June 23, 2008 at 10:53 AM@the hopper — do you find FF way faster than Safari?
———————
Yes Lisa it’s faster then Safari,. If I have to place them in order (faster being #1) would be like this:
1. FF (the fastest)
2.Safari
3.Opera
4.Netscape 8
5.Konqueror
5.bla bla bla
6.bla bla bla
7.bla bla bla…………..
56. IE (the slowest ever) :(
David
June 23, 2008 at 11:39 AM@The Hopper – you forgot to include the fastest…
Hey, Nice Zune!...NOT.
June 23, 2008 at 12:03 PMI work a lot in illustrator…one thing that really bothers me about Safari is the fact that you cannot just drag images from the Browser window to your open AI document like you can in FF and IE. Whenever I try this i get a little message saying “QuickTime™ and a decompressor are needed to see this picture.” ANNOYING! It reminds me of all the years I had to use a single button mouse…what gives Steve??
The Hopper
June 23, 2008 at 3:03 PM@ DAvid
Of course 1. FF (the fastest)
David
June 23, 2008 at 3:55 PM@ The Hopper
Webkit
The Hopper
June 23, 2008 at 5:47 PM@ David
Webkit is Safari’s framework (open source version)
something like FF and Netscape at the beginning…
I’m and open source guy, I’ll give it a try.
Thanks
The Hopper
Mathew Ballard
June 23, 2008 at 6:32 PM@Dwayne
So what in particular do you not like about it. You can’t just say something sucks and not give some reasons behind your thinking.
David
June 24, 2008 at 1:11 AM@ The Hopper
…and when you’ve tried Webkit, try iCab running on Webkit – even faster!
David
June 24, 2008 at 1:14 AMoooer – link stripped: http://spotthehall.com/running-on-webkit/
Matt F
June 24, 2008 at 1:26 AMI have to agree for FF3 vs safari on Mac. FF3 on Mac just doesn’t seem finished. It’s great on my XP workstation but seems to have issues with bookmarking and rendering some CSS on Mac. Frankly, after several years of development, I thought bookmarking would at least be equal to safari
Dwayne
June 24, 2008 at 3:57 AM@Matthew my bad sorry that was a rushed post, well My reasons are there is no firebug upgrade to Firefox 3 that works, which sucks big time for web developers like me
Tim
June 24, 2008 at 5:03 AMDwayne, not true I am using FF3 with FireBug 1.2.0b3 as we speak! You just have to try a little harder to get what you want…
Dwayne
June 24, 2008 at 10:13 AMYea guys I am so sorry, it works thanks @Tim sorry fire fox and Lisa
John Barker
June 24, 2008 at 10:13 AMThe new firfox looks almost identical to Safari (especially when using small buttons) without any interface addons/plugins.
subcorpus
June 25, 2008 at 12:11 AMi haqve firefox and i have safari …
but i still use opera …
opera on my windows box at work …
opera on my mac at home …
cant get opera to work on my mobile … its and iphone …
yeah tell me about it …
hehe …
Martin Lee
June 25, 2008 at 9:30 AMI love bot too and have been unable to make up my mind for years now. I love Safari’s simplicity and speed but am always seduced by the Firefox add-ons that I can now not do with out.
Inspect Context
Web Developer – swiss army knife for web dev
DownThemAll – a better download manager you won’t find
Mahalo Share – Share stuff everywhere at once (You’d love this Lisa)
FireFTP – turns FF into a fully fledged FTP client
Customise Google – ads stuff that Google never would but I can’t live without now
PDF download – choose how you want to deal with PDFs
Pearl Crescent Page Saver – Grab screenshots of full length websites
PicLens – also available for Safari
Stylish – alter site css and save as a preference
User adgent switcher – pretend to be something your not
ViewSourceWith – Open HTML/CSS/JS/images in your app of choice
The Hopper
June 25, 2008 at 9:51 AM@David
Thanks David
Joey
June 25, 2008 at 8:24 PMas long as you dont use ie!!!!
The Hopper
June 25, 2008 at 9:38 PMHave you notice that FF3 doesn’t display Flash correctly if you use Mootools?
needcaffeine
June 26, 2008 at 4:21 PMsafari is based on old mozilla code…this is new and improved
or so I read.
David
June 26, 2008 at 5:05 PM@needcaffeine – well that just goes to show that you shouldn’t believe everything you read!!
LeoXP
June 26, 2008 at 11:56 PMFor Mac is Safari probably may be the best choice, but over OS is Firefox better, faster, more customiseble. Also the extensions make FF the best testing browser for web developers (see “Web Developer” and “Firebug”).
But the most feature innovations and W3C compliant browser ever is OPERA!
The Hopper
June 27, 2008 at 9:25 AM@needcaffeine – that’s a joke , right?
Saf
June 27, 2008 at 1:13 PMWell, I am a new mac user so basicall I will go for Firefox but Safari seems nice to not like Internet Explorer with too much ads and bars (yahoo bar, google bar, etc)
Rafael
June 30, 2008 at 5:37 AMif you’re a web developer, then you know the plug-in that makes firefox beat safari single-handedly..web developer tools. it lets you view the css stylesheet of any site, or if you choose to you can view the css info regarding only a particular elemnt of the page, manage html forms, images, a measuring ruler, and so much more, if you haven’t heard of it, you need to try it out!
The Hopper
June 30, 2008 at 9:29 AM@ Saf
Saf, you can get rid of all those bars, they slow down your machine, they act as spyware anyways.
David
June 30, 2008 at 9:31 AMThe Web Inspector, particularly of the nightly builds of webkit, gets ever more impressive.
Rafael
June 30, 2008 at 10:00 AMhow ’bout iMacros? that’s a pretty neat plug-in. is there a Safari equivalent for that?
warzabidul
June 30, 2008 at 12:43 PMFF and safari are too common, personaly been using Seamonkey for over a thousand hours with no complaints. It’s a side project to firefox without the hype.
john piercy
June 30, 2008 at 2:03 PMFF and Greasemonkey scripts for Flickr ,
I cant imagine flickr without my scripts
http://www.flickr.com/groups/flickrhacks/
Jay Cuthrell
June 30, 2008 at 3:17 PMI just use cURL.
:)
Pedro Leal
June 30, 2008 at 4:20 PMDon’t change to the dark side Liza!
What can i say… I just love safari. (or every thing apple related to be more acurate)
steelie
June 30, 2008 at 6:25 PMMay not be the greatest reason for your needs but I prefer Safari because it uses Apple’s Keychain utility to store all your usernames and passwords whereas FF saves them in the applications preferences files somewhere.
I also use Apple’s .Mac/Me service which syncs all my Safari bookmarks and Keychain usernames and passwords between home and work. And so, FF just seems limited when I want everything to be the same everywhere.
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